In light of that, the valuable service you claim hes doing may well be smoke and mirrors. http://www.waltherarms.com/wp-content/uploads/ppk-left.jpg. A 380 is about as wide as a 9mm. However it is about 1/2 as powerful, 1/2 the weight and velocity. For a very long time 9mm was considered the rock And what sucks is I held off buying a 380 cause I really thought the Pico would be great. I happen to own a SCCY and have never ever had a FTF or FTE its a very light and compact gun in a 9mm platform with 11 rounds Cant say LCP is much better than any of these above, but it has been reliable. It is almost a virtual impossibility to drop the mag without having to literally stop everything your doing and have to yank the thing down using 2 hands. i used to own a keltec p11. Also it would be great to know if the people voting own the guns they are rating and/or if they have ever shot them. And with 38 other semi-auto pocketguns to choose from, why risk it? If you actually carry a gun in your pocket, even in a pocket holster, its gonna get dirty. Texas Teens Getting Carry Licenses! Sold it and picked up an LCP off a friend for $150. The mag will spring out when done correctly. Uh no. And BTW, the gunsgunsguns link doesnt work. The gun works. Take down the Pico. Springfield operator: 5.2 How so? After each guns name, youll see its average user rating, that ratings margin of error and the number of votes: 1) Diamondback Firearms DB380 (4.3 stars 1.0, 25 votes). For 2022, the Roughneck will be available in a recoil-friendly .380 ACP. SuccySuckeySuckySucySukyNope. They are kind of like the Nancy Pelosis in the outdoor industry. The Kahr chokes on all kinds of ammo. Snicker. Therefore, if you want the slide to lock back, you need to use the magazines that were made specifically for the LCP II. Heck, the CM40s steel-framed brother, the MK40, is currently ranked in the top 5 (granted, with only 10 votes so far). They never protected their early designs/. Im curious as to how you derived your +/- error bars and why you are calling 25-50 votes statistically significant. Those are awfully small sample sizes compared to the number of guns of each make/model in production. It is considerably lighter and smoother than the original LCP and other comparable .380 pistols, and it also features the Glock-style bladed safety that must first be depressed in order for the trigger to be pulled. I bought one of the .380 Seecamps when they first came out. Only time I tried one I did not like it. Seriously?). Never had a malfunction, easy to shoot, accurate, and good looking whats not to like? The thing is about Cobras, hi points that people that call them junk have never actually researched the gun. ******SPONSORED CONTENT/PRODUCT PLACEMENT******. Ruger sought out to remedy much of these problems with the LCP II. Happy ending. George have you tried a different ammo brand? Bought it brand new. Could not disagree more with the articles 3rd selection, namely, the SCCY Industries CPX-2 (not to be confused with its predecessor which had issues of which were acknowledged by the company and subsequently corrected). My hands are simply too large for the tiny Ruger. Copyright 2023 Center for the National Interest All Rights Reserved. It is about 99% reliable, however, which is good enough to carry. Designed to be smaller and more compact than the Nambu 14 for use by armored vehicle crewmen and pilots, the pistol had design Non shooters called me a liar that we could do it, but any bad guy within 30 yards is in great danger, even though it has been a long time. I just cant see myself ever paying for a gun called SuCCY! The first generation CPX-1s had some problems and gave the company a bad rep starting out, but the company was so adamant that they fixed their second Gen guns that you can send any of the old ones back (they shipped in red boxes) and they will replace them with brand new Gen 2s (which ship in blackish gray boxes). WebThe Roughneck series of derringers are similar in appearance to the well-known Bond Arms Backup models, but are more affordable. Otherwise a worthy imitator of the abandoned Walther PPK. No, maybe we are focusing on the self promotion IN CONJUNCTION with the very questionable methods of research and conclusions drawn from them. The Mag release is a piece of cake. Anything In the Ring of Fire Family. And I dont know why Keltec lets Ruger & SCCY(and the defunct hellcat) slavishly copy their designs. Sorry, but NOT my Kahr. These are not military combat weapons. Ive had one for 5 years with no more problems than a Kel-tech 380, and Ruger LCP I compared side by side at the range. CPX 2. My God, have you really shot or even handled one? Stovepiped and double fed left and right, and Kel-Tec didnt want to lift a finger without me footing the bill for shipping. Ive put plenty of rounds through my p3at and its reliable. WebBeretta Pico: Worst .380 In the World?! I certainly wouldnt be happy. You sound smart. Had it for about 6 months now and been to the range several times. However, it is pricey and a bit bulkier than some of the others. Probably have about 2500 rounds through it. Their guns get copied because George Kelgren never copyrighted the designs. Ruger listened to the criticism, which resulted in the birth of the LCP II. Its a joy to shoot. Actually, the KelTec P11 is the same size, came first and holds two more rounds. How many times do you change magazines in a self defense situation? Then Ill be unstoppable!!!!! Double strike capability, Magazines all stainless that look like custom 1911 mags. I met Leghorn at a Range Day last year and he knows little about handling a weapon. Yes it did. Its a sharp designed pistol with a great price . WebThe .380 Auto (ACP) Pistol is most often used for self-defense, and is a particularly good choice for concealed carry thanks to its small size. I think it would have to be the 2mm Kolibri. Its the worlds smallest handgun, and develops just 4 joules of muzzle energy. Its not a joke weapon I own some pretty toys and more expensive carry guns but for everyday carry i choose between my CPX 2 and S&W 442 and feel just as confident with either. They sent me a replacement gun that wouldnt chamber the 1st round. Obviously you really do not get into pocket guns or spend time with folks that do. Go to some of the forums and you will seem many post and pictures from fans. As a back-up weapon to a larger pistol, the LCP II would also be a great choice as it has a very similar manual of arms to larger pistols such as Glocks while also being small enough to easily conceal carry as we have just seen. I dont care for the finger grooves, the chunky feel, or the bullets rattling in the magazine when they arent stacked just right. Apparently their readership likes Sigs with large sample sizes. And surely have not shot one or very little. It seems like the all metal euro pistols of yester-year beat the new models in spades. Makes me question the authors intentions in this article. No problems what so ever. Its been reliable since then for me. The Ring of Fire guns are small, super The trigger is fantastic, and reassuring in handling and holstering (leather IWB) in ways that Glock is not. I had an occasional ejection glitch in mine when I first got it, but the company paid to have it shipped back to them for adjustment, and the piece hasnt hiccupped a single time, since. I just went through your site and clicked a one star on every gun over $500 and a 10 star on every gun under $500 with my only basis being I dont currently have an expendable $500 in my pocket and I dont like them because they are out of my budget Just kidding, I didnt, but anyone out there could do it, which is why I think your system is incredibly flawed by not at least holding reviewers to having to list a reason. YES, of course Id rate the G19 at least from a practical, hardcore perspective an obviously more robust, serious combat-capable CC piece, but when you think about it, here I am comparing a Glock 19 to a SCCY CPX-2 for certain situations and that HAS to be a compliment to the SCCY, in an offhand way (and dont accuse me of being a Glock fanboy I own diverse alternatives, and was actually very slow by choice getting into the Glock game.) But do not tell me the Kahr is a better gun. Of all the firearm purchases you may make in your lifetime, a pocket gun is probably the one you can least afford to screw up. Ruger LCP II .380 ($349) She shot both, along with a used Beretta .380, and chose the Sig despite the price being just about double at the time. SRP: $269. The trigger is about smooth and deliberate. The LCP isnt that bad. No problems with it at all. Definitelythe first Gen 1 models had problemsHowever, the second Gen 2 models are fine. Worst complaint is the trigger, but a lot of dry fires with snap caps and you condition yourself to the long reset. I appreciate the review. If its good Ill spread the word. Then I go to the LGS and shoot the guns myself, having sorted down to a handful that might meet my needs. Im pretty surprised the P3AT isnt on this list. But if ultimate concealment is the need, then just accept that it will need to be .380. The cobra looks very similar to a firearm my mother owns. When you insert a fresh magazine, it will be easier to rack the slide this way as well. His post show that he is just posting without knowledge of the firearms. The one I had was utter shit. Shooting (And Finally Breaking) the SCCY CPX-2: http://youtu.be/YzYm_CqMZG8. Because they unreasonably expected to consistently hit a bullseye at 50 yards with a pocket pistol? It jammed after the first shot, but he hit the intruder in the chest. Bounce is not horrible but that along with size will take some of the enjoyment out of the session. Funny, I have the SCCY CPX-2 and I love it. I love this gun for the price, and just because its not made by Glock means nothing to me. The Manual says clearly not to dry fire the gun without snap caps. Or having the mag cleaned and inspected? That said, I have never tried to pocket-carry one so Im not voting on it in terms of that specific criteria. It was his first time shooting it (or any gun) ever. IMHO it packs a great punch for a pistol that slips away in my pocket. Presenting statistics like this isnt representative of the actual quality of the product, but the opinion of those who voted. Split chassis, cracked frames, split rails, broken take down pins. Years ago a mentor and I were at a range with an iron 30 plate/gong at 270 yards. Its is almost universally panned from young guys working behind the counter at Academy Sports to anyone who works in local gun shops. You do not have one clue about what you are talking about. If you spend any amount of time online, youve seen product rating systems on Amazon, Netflix, Yelp, etc., usually in the form of star ratings. A local guy shot a home invader with a SCCY. All of this list (for the most part) are price point guns and no, you will not get HK quality for $200, but this list is about as fanboy as anything I have ever seen on here. Seriously, it works if you have a fresh pair of springs in it. Thousands of flawless rounds and handles Hot ammo better than most guns handle standard ammo. The Pico is one of the best firearms in its class out there period. You can hire chinese brokers to buy likes on Fakebook, and twitter followers by the thousands. Keltec P11 will take S&W 669 mags10,15,20 rounders..just like the Marlin Camp Rifle.. Slicked up and did a Golden Loki Fluff & Buff on my Kel-Tec P3AT after I bought it years ago. Built like a tank. The grip is also slightly enlarged in order to get a better grip, with an improved stippling job as well to better accommodate wet or slippery conditions. It is my bicycle gun. My Kahr is a nice but, but Finicky as heck. Sean, I cannot find documentation of John Lott having bought reviews on Amazon. Current (and Growing) List of Exhibitors at the Texas Firearms Festival. I totally agree. No issues to complain about. Think he went through that with customer service Ill give ya the mag though. That gun, the TCP, gets pretty good marks everywhere Ive seen it reviewed, so I wouldnt expect it to show up on a pocket guns to avoid list. The Pico is built like a tank. Who knew a firearm could actually be worse? I really wanted to like the gun. AMEN . These guns shoot any ammo I have fed it. And a PPK has the solid feel of pure quality. According to our peers, here are the six worst pocketguns, from less awful to worstest. Go to the Beretta form Pico and the gun is loved by many. If you use ratings to determine which gun works or doesnt work for you, you are a fool. On the plus side, the SCCY has a lighter trigger than the Kel-Tec P11 (which may explain the problem), but the P11 always goes bang. Tiny little semi-automatics sure, there are many good ones and many bad ones. When he says the People have spoken who the heck is that? Im glad it ended well, but if he hadnt scored a first round hit he would have been screwed for real. Id trust actual reviewers over internet voters. I own a hp380. Combined with the teflon-like nickle finish and the worlds stiffest recoil spring, its almost impossible to rack. Trash. These arent Rambo guns, they are self defense guns. Did he shoot various ammo or run them for accuracy. Glad to see it was noted as rating highly, and not on the list. What a joke. Like a great car or movie, a great firearm can become a true classic. I. Arguably one of the best and most popular pocket pistols, the pf9, was not on the spreadsheet. I shot the cpx-1 and the cpx-2and never had a problem with either. There is nothing copyrightable in those designs. capacity. So I returned it to them, they replaced several worn parts and returned it. Ruger LCR in 38 spcl +P. The Pico will eat any ammo I have fed it, and has proven flawless with thousands of rounds down range. At first glance, Japans first semi-automatic pistol design resembles the iconic All run like sewing machines. While the LCP II is still a small pocket pistol, Ruger made a number of improvements to it. Actually bought a second one. I must be the unicorn master then, because I own each of the firearms listed, except the Hellcat, (I have never heard of it before this article) and have never had an issue with any of them. The number of ratings is what sold his other books. The CM40 being smaller and lighter might exhibit a little more, but its not unmanageable. Most people who love the P3-AT just carry it but dont use it. While the LCP II will accept the same 6 round magazines as the original LCP, it also will not slide lock on the last round with those magazines because they were not designed to do so. Beretta did a fine job on the Pocket Pistol. Did anybody take the poor performing guns to a reputable gunsmith and have them tuned up? It would likely be more meaningful. We both agreed, the TCP trigger was superior to the LCP. I have no Idea how this writer came up with this Bottom Feeder nonsense. Im guessing a .40 S&W round is just too unpleasant to shoot in this uber lightweight polymer-framed pocket gun. They were remarkably accurate and soft-shooting, too. I have thousands of rounds through both and they keep on trucking One gun has 5000 rounds with just one failure with all kinds of ammo and that was a bad primer strike, which by the way the Pico has double strike capability which took care of that. Each of these guns has a lightweight, compact design making them ideal for concealed carry. I have a KAHR CM40 and a CW40 and for their intended purpose they are great. (not missed, as in missed the target, but missed as in I pulled the trigger for the follow up shot and nothing happened because it had not reset). An odd shaped frame that in my opinion they actually went too small on trying to outdo everyone to be the king of small in 380s. There is an author named John Lott, who became a best seller from an unknown very quickly by doing exactly that. When it comes to a worst list omitting anything made by Kel Tec is a mistake. The CM9 is a great gun. Id have to disagree with the cpx2s place on the list even though the company had growing pains. I fire a couple of magazines a month thru them so as not to get too rusty . Even a novice can see the better build quality of the Pico. Um the SCCY is a near exact copy of the nearby(Cocoa,Fl) Keltec P-11. The trigger pull on most .380 autos is exceptionally long and gritty. (Including the book he wrote about how to cheat Amazon buyers by faking reviews.). I went through 4 LCP. I carry in the front pocket and have trouble with the stupid buttons that accidentally release the mag. . Obvious, one writers bias, trying to get internet rookies to bash guns most have never shot nor even understand. Its teeny, accurate, and easy to handle. Mine works, has worked, continues to work, and has never not gone bang. . How is the P3AT above the middle of the list? Because they just have a vendetta against these manufacturers? Hey Dan, what gun have you designed or invested in? Is it possible to find a Hellcat II that runs well, shoots well and fits well? Notify me of follow-up comments by email. The ratings would be a lot more reliable if everyone had to write a review along with the rating. I agree, the P3AT is my go to light carry gun. I have seen this kind of nonsense before but did not expect to see it here. Nope. Forget about dropping the mag with the shooting hand, cause it aint happening. The PPK established a defining influence on the design of concealed carry firearms. They know media though. You get two shots, a single-action-only And the Pico will run like a sewing machine. With a much lighter trigger, enhanced slide serrations, wider grip, impressive stippling job, and the ability to slide lock on the last round, the LCP II is a definitive improvement over other comparable .380 pocket guns. Both nice guns, the Pico is the clear winner. Wrong about sccy. IO stopped making them and moved to Florida. I have literally spoken to no one that has said anything positive about the Pico. Oh shit! The Pico is one of the most mild shooting pocket guns you will ever shoot. No problem with the SCCY at all. After this 1911 bill gets passed, Ill be carrying a 1911. BTW except for the cobra all these little guns got good reviews at various timesFWIW. I just dont see the silent u in that. 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